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83 - Dr. Judy Jasek - Integrative Holistic Veterinary Care

• Ivelisse Page • Season 3 • Episode 83

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Oh how we love our pets!  They are the family members who give us the unconditional love we all need.  So how can we know we are doing our best to keep them healthy?

In this episode, Dr. Judy Jasek, an integrative veterinarian, joins me to  explore a fresh take on pet care that goes beyond the basics! 

Dr. Jasek shares her favorite pet health tip before diving into the differences between integrative and conventional veterinary care and what inspired her own journey into holistic medicine. 

  • Wondering which food brands are best for your furry friend? 
  • Curious about natural therapies like mistletoe for cancer and ozone for wellness? 
  • Want to know more about practical tips for using homeopathy at home?

We’ve got you covered!

Hear an inspiring story of a pet’s incredible healing journey with integrative treatment, and to top it off, Dr. Jasek discusses what pet parents need to know about costs and benefits when choosing integrative care—don’t miss this episode packed with insights to support your pet’s health!

Learn more about Dr. Judy Jasek:
https://ahavet.com/about/

Suggested Resource Links:

  • Dr. Jasek's Vet Practice, website
  • Rabies Vaccine - webinar
  • Cancer and Gut Health - video
  • American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association (AHVMA) - website


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Ivelisse Page:

Hi, I'm Ivelisse Page, and thanks for listening to the Believe Big podcast, the show where we take a deep dive into your healing with health experts, integrative practitioners, biblical faith leaders, and cancer thrivers from around the globe. Welcome to today's episode on the Believe Big podcast. My name is Ivelisse Page, and it's always a pleasure to be with you. I am very excited about today's podcast guest, Dr. Judy Jasek, an integrative veterinarian. Over the years, we have gotten many questions about pet health and mistletoe, and we thought we would connect with Dr. Jasek about making sure our pets are well taken care of. Dr. Judy graduated from Colorado State University with degrees in zoology and veterinary medicine in 1988. After founding and transforming a conventional clinic into an integrative medicine practice in Colorado, She sold the practice in 2015. With over 35 years of experience, Dr. Judy now practices on a smaller scale, utilizing telemedicine globally. Her holistic approach focuses on supporting pets natural healing abilities through nutrition, supplementation, and detoxification. Forgoing quick fix solutions. She specializes in alternative cancer treatments like ozone and mistletoe, and she continues to innovate in veterinary care. Recently, relocating to Tennessee with her husband to start a rural homestead, Dr. Judy finds joy in nurturing animals like her German Shepherd puppy, Rex. Welcome to the show, Dr. Jasek.

Dr. Judy Jasek:

Oh, thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be here. I'm grateful to be able to spread the word to more people about how to keep our pets healthy.

Ivelisse Page:

Well, we are so excited that you're here and I have so many questions for you. But before we begin, I know our listeners are always wanting to know what our guest's favorite health tip is. So you can share a personal health tip, or you can share one that you give for your pets.

Dr. Judy Jasek:

I say it's the same. It's good nutrition and we have to feed the body properly. Like I was saying before the show, I think a lot of why cancer shows up is toxicity and we live in a toxic world. So the better we can support the body, whether it's our bodies or our pet bodies. through appropriate nutrition, the better chance we have of the body handling it's a toxic load that it's exposed to.

Ivelisse Page:

A hundred percent, you know, we always hear and, and say that food is medicine. And so that is a great health tip for sure. So can you explain what integrative medicine and veterinary care entails and how it differs from conventional practices?

Dr. Judy Jasek:

I think it really starts with the mindset and how we look at disease or symptoms. Um, if, if we look at disease or symptoms as something we have to fight, or there's an invader in the body, then we're left with symptomatic treatments or, treatments that attack things like antibiotics in the case of cancer, chemotherapy, radiation, we're just like in an attack mode. My approach is more about, I look at the terrain of the pet and how do we support the natural healing ability of the body? Because health is the natural state of the body. Ours, pets, I mean, nature has it down, right? Nature knows how to be healthy. Our bodies want to be healthy. And unfortunately, conventional medicine I think for the most part gets in the way of that in short term for emergencies. Yeah, it's great. You know, your pet gets hit by a car, gets a cut, has a broken leg. Absolutely go to the ER and get fixed. But for any type of chronic illness, including cancer, we have to be taking a different approach to health. And that is, um, looking at how do we support the natural healing ability of the body.

Ivelisse Page:

So what inspired you transition from conventional practice to an integrative medicine practice?

Dr. Judy Jasek:

I just didn't see it working. I was trained conventionally like every other vet and maybe I got about eight or 10 years out of school and you're quite indoctrinated. I didn't even call it education anymore. I call it indoctrination. I didn't see it back then. I see it very clearly now. Yeah. But you're tied to what you learned is kind of all, you haven't been out in the real world very much. I was in school practically my whole life up until that point. But then I just look at my patients, like, this is it. This is all we can do. And, for all the supposed medical advances, pets were not getting better overall. They were getting sicker. And I just felt like I was becoming a pawn of the pharmaceutical industry. You know, the pharmaceutical rep comes in and they buy the practice lunch and they tell you their latest, they pull out their latest bag of tricks, whether it's new vaccines or new pharmaceuticals. And, and, and they teach you how to sell them based on fear. Like what can you make your clients afraid of, to sell these products. And then of course, how much money you can make selling them. And that's the way it's done. And I'm pretty sure it's similar in human medicine as well. And I just thought this isn't practice. This isn't healing. This isn't why I got into this profession. I'm just a drug peddler. And so that just wasn't sitting well with me. Then there was a rather large learning curve after that. But like I said before, it's really, it's the mindset. Once you change how you look at practice, Then you seek those avenues and you know, it's when, when the student is ready, the teacher appears. I think when you're open to taking in new information, then you, you learn about resources. So I started learning about herbal medicine, homeopathy, more about nutrition. You know, in vet school, you just taught to sell the hills. typical prescription diets. Now, I don't recommend anything but a fresh food diet, ideally raw, a big proponent of raw feeding for dogs and cats.

Ivelisse Page:

Yeah, so are there any food brands in the dry food industry that you think are healthy for, say, dogs, for example? Or is there an affordable raw food, option that you have found?

Dr. Judy Jasek:

Nothing in the kibble industry would I consider healthy. They're all about 50 percent processed carbohydrates, all of them. No matter what their claims are, no matter how healthy they say they are, the quote unquote prescription diets that you buy at the vet, um, are just as bad. If you actually read the ingredients, you may as well just go down to the grocery store and buy a Prina, because it's about the same. That's such a scam, the whole prescription diet thing. Um, it needs to be fresh food feeding. And is it more expensive than buying your cheap kibble? Sure. But you know, what's the cost of your pet's health? You know, what is that worth to you? Um, and if you think buying the food is expensive, try treating cancer. And not to mention the heartache. To me, it's a very worthwhile investment. If you think about the vet bills you're going to save, and just the heartache. You don't want to watch your pet even have chronic itchy skin or chronic ear infections or chewing at their feet. All these inflammatory signs we see, um, let alone cancer. And the diet is huge, by far the majority of new cancer patients that I see coming in have been on a kibble diet and on the typical, um, vaccine schedule. Um, I, I do think the vaccines play a big role, especially in young pets getting cancer, but then over time, not getting proper nutrition is, is huge. And we do have, we actually, have an awesome nutritionist working with us in our practice. Anybody can come in. They don't have to work with me directly. My consults are more expensive. Anybody can get a nutrition consult for$65 and she will help you put together a plan. She really knows the industry. She knows, she owns a natural pet food store here in Tennessee. And so she knows the pet food brands actually way better than I do because just don't have the time to keep up on all that, but she's in that business. So. She can actually help walk you through getting the most affordable diet and species appropriate and well balanced diet for your pet.

Ivelisse Page:

That's amazing. I'm going to definitely call her and connect with her. And we'll also put your contact information in our show notes for anyone else who's interested in making sure that their pet is on the right foods. I, I agree 100%, just like with ourselves, you know, people say, Oh, eating organic is expensive. Well, so is sickness. And so, you know, if you're not able to eat all organic, Then avoid the dirty dozen, you know? So we share tips with people on ways that you can affordably eat well. Um, and so I'm sure the same is for our pets. And, I'm so glad that you mentioned about the vaccine schedule. We have a puppy that's a year old now, and they just wanted to give him everything. And I just said, listen, he's just such a little guy. Like, I don't want to infuse his body with so much, just like I would with my kids. I'd be very careful with what I gave them and when and, um, and the schedules now that they give them so many more vaccines than in the past. So my puppy right now has just the one required by law, which is the rabies. But how do you work with vets? Because, like you said, really intimidate people, or they say you have to get these done, or I'll drop you as a patient, and so how does one find a vet that can really be gentler on the puppies, or even just, um, on your dogs themselves, you know, with this vaccine schedule? What advice would you have for individuals?

Dr. Judy Jasek:

It's become a really tough one and it's gotten so much worse after Covid. Vets have always recommended the vaccines, but they didn't require them to walk in the door like they're doing now. And I actually put together a webinar on rabies, which I'd be happy to send you if you want to post it on your site because I get into the whole veterinary narrative and basically punch holes in it and just invalidate their claims that they need to do it for safety things such as They'll say, well, you know, I have to protect my staff. So your pet needs to be vaccinated against rabies. Well, even if you believe, I personally believe the whole rabies thing is just a big fallacy, but say you believe there's actually rabies virus and this vaccine is protective. Well, it's not protective instantly, you know, it would still take a couple weeks. So the fact that they just want to vaccinate your pet on the way in the door is it doesn't even make sense from a safety perspective. And it also goes against the actual inserts. In my webinar, I cite, um, the actual package inserts from some of the vaccine manufacturers that say it should only be given to healthy animals. If the animal is not healthy, then they can't guarantee the response to the vaccine. So they're actually going against even the manufacturers. It's just become so ubiquitous and everybody's doing it. So there are very few choices. More people need to push back. I don't have any faith that the thoughts are going to change at all. Um, I think it's, it's going to be people, enough people pushing back one or two crazy clients, they'll just send them on their way, but if enough people push back. I'm actually looking into approaching legislatures here in Tennessee because there's so much evidence now that viruses have never been isolated and I'm actually working with some people and have a lot of good evidence that um I've gone back to the times of Louis Pasteur where the whole rabies narrative actually started. No evidence whatsoever the virus was over found. It was basically a made up narrative. And I would like to make an attempt to take that to the legislature here in Tennessee and see if we can actually change the laws. It's a class C misdemeanor here in Tennessee to harbor a pet without a current rabies shot. Um, so, and I would suggest if people really want to change, it comes down to us. The vets aren't going to change. Yes, you can push back at your vet's office. And in the short term, you know, have that honest conversation with your vet. Say, hey, I don't want to do this. Will you work with me or do I take my business elsewhere? You can ask about titer testing, which is where you just measure an antibody level. And if there's adequate antibodies, theoretically, the pet should not need a vaccination. So if they would accept an antibody level, a titer test, and that might get you around the vaccinations. Um, some places, like I practiced in Colorado for many years, they actually had a medical exemption for rabies. It was a state form, so I could write those. The local vets may or may not accept them. Sadly, it's come down to the point I tell people don't go in for wellness exams. You need to take responsibility for your pet's health, just like you need to take responsibility for your own health and know when your pet's ill. You know if your pet's ill and it's going into the wellness exams that you're going to get pushed the vaccines, the heartworm, flea and tick medic, all these medications. Clinics make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year selling that stuff. And it really is just a money game. So don't go in. Just, just don't go in. If your pet's sick, if your pet is seriously sick, like you're really concerned, it's bleeding, it's hurt, go to the emergency clinics because the emergency clinics are not as plugged into that whole wellness thing. And I think in most all cases, you could go in and say, Hey, look, I got another vet I work with on the vaccines. If they even ask from what I hear, the ERs don't tend to ask because they're not, that's, that's not their business model. I mean, I hate to say it that way, but it's the truth. They're there just to take care of your pets on an emergency basis. It's just that I have another vet I work with on those vaccines if they ask, and don't go into the vet for wellness care.

Ivelisse Page:

That's really great advice. I was excited to hear that you use mistletoe therapy in your practice. That's something that we really appreciate we work with integrative practitioners on the human side, all over the country, really helping people to integrate that into their care. So can you talk a little bit more about cancer and dogs specifically and how mistletoe helps them?

Dr. Judy Jasek:

Mistletoe is amazing. Um, I started using mistletoe probably six or seven years ago. If your client asked me about it and I hadn't really heard about using it therapeutically for cancer, but I was able to find another veterinarian in Florida that was using it and he was kind enough to share his protocols with me. And I have found, I was already seeing a lot of cancer patients, cause I was doing natural therapies and a lot of ozone therapy, which I also use. Um, but adding mistletoe in, I feel like really helped with the more aggressive cancers. I mean, you know, everything is, it's a big variable. Like we can never predict outcomes, right? We never know what's going to happen. Sometimes I start working with a cancer patient, they're pretty far down the road, and we've got a lot of catch up to do. But I would say overall, without a doubt, that adding mistletoe in has improved treatment results and improved quality of life. You know, I know humans report that, um, they feel better on mistletoe and even emotionally, which is hard to evaluate in our pets. But I think it's important that they feel more optimistic, more hopeful. And, I found in pets, sometimes it helps increase their appetite. Certainly with the discomfort of like the tumors, because it can treat tumors. And I look at cancer. Yes, it's great if we can make it completely go away, but oftentimes that's not realistic, but I look at it. Can we make it manageable? Can we control it to the point that the pet can still live a good quality of life? And that's not always possible, but I think adding in things like mistletoe, it becomes much more possible.

Ivelisse Page:

That's amazing. And you mentioned ozone. Explain to our listeners what ozone therapy is. Many people may not even understand what that is.

Dr. Judy Jasek:

Yeah. And it's, it's great too, because it's something else people can do at home. Like when I do mistletoe therapy, I send people the supplies and just teach them how to do the injections at home so I can stay out of the vet's office. Um, but so ozone is, um, O3. So the oxygen in the air that we breathe is O2. It's two oxygen atoms. Ozone is O3. So that third oxygen atom makes it very reactive, which makes it very effective at both oxygenating tissues in the body and helping the cells to use oxygen more efficiently. And all disease states, including cancer, thrive in low oxygen environments. So, the more we can oxygenate the body and improve the oxygen utilization, the healthier the body is, you know, we talked about supporting the terrain and so then we're supporting immune system function. We're supporting the body's own ability to deal with the cancer and we're creating an unfriendly environment for the cancer because disease doesn't like this high oxygen because it's healthy for the, healthier for the surrounding cells. It's given in a multitude of different ways. So when I would see patients in person, I would do a blood treatment where you draw blood, you mix the blood with the ozone gas and re inject. But at home, people can do rectal. I mean, I used to do rectal in the clinic too, but, um, you can very easily do rectal ozone, which is where you take just a soft silicone catheter, you put it up your pet's bum, and you just inject the ozone gas right into the colon and then it's absorbed systemically and it's very therapeutic for any GI or abdominal lesions. And it's a little weird, you know, to get used to, but it can be very effective and you can buy, there's a, a company called O3 Vets and they sell a little kit, a little ozone generator kit for home use. It's around$800 or$900, which, I mean, if you think of how much it would cost to go into a clinic to be getting ozone therapy. If you can swing the upfront investment, I think it pays for itself very quickly and you can do these rectal administrations at home and you can do it more, like usually traveling to a clinic, you might only get in a couple times a week, but if you have it at home, you can do it four or five times a week. And, um, there's some respiratory therapies you can do at home. So I think that's a really great option, because I really like to empower pet parents to do more for themselves at home. Not only does it help the pets, but I think it also helps create a more positive energy because it helps instill hope. And instead of sitting back feeling hopeless, waiting for your pet to die, which is what people are sent home with on the conventional side, they can be doing something proactive. They're taking a part in the solution instead of just being, feeling so frustrated and hopeless.

Ivelisse Page:

Yeah. And I also think that stress plays a huge part like it does for ourselves. And if they're in their own home environment, the pets are more relaxed and they're happier and they're not stressed from being at the vet clinic or wherever they are being treated. So that has so many benefits of it. Uh, you had also mentioned homeopathy. I use it here at home. I've used it with my kids since they were babies for, goodness 30 years we've been using homeopathy and I actually used homeopathy with my late pet that passed away last year towards the end and it just was really helpful to help him with pain, you know, that he was having. And so explain to individuals how homeopathy can help pets when they're ill, whether it's a cold or cancer.

Dr. Judy Jasek:

So homeopathy is kind of a it's sort of a form of energetic medicine. So the way homeopathic remedies are made, they take an organic substance such as, uh, well, APIS, these are an example. APIS is used for allergies. So they actually take bee pollen and do a homeopathic dilution. So they make it very dilute. It's like 1 to 10,000 or 100,000. And the more dilute it is, the more potent it is energetically. It's a little backwards from when I first started learning, it sounded backwards if you think about it logically, but energetically they become more potent, the more dilute they are. So there's no organic substance in there, but the essence of that substance is there. And we use, it uses the concept of like treats like, so you use a homeopathic, um, version of a bee pollen, it's called Apis, and that can help with allergy symptoms because, and it doesn't even have to be a bee sting, any allergic reaction can respond to something like, APIS. And I know there's Carcinocin, which is a popular one for cancer in general. And then different parts of the body are depending on where the cancer is growing in the body. Other remedies can also be helpful. It's also very constitutionally based, which in mistletoes, a lot like that too, in that the different forms of mistletoe, it's the mistletoe is harvested from different host trees. So there's pine and fir and apple and oak and the constitution of the mistletoe varies with the host tree and then the constitution of the mistletoe is matched up to the constitution of the patient. It's a little easier to do that in people because people can report in more detail what they're feeling with pets we're left with kind of monitoring their behavior, but, um, but we can still do it. And, you know, I do use multiple types of mistletoe. So, um, yeah, I think homeopathy can be a great adjunct. I think the way I look at it is we have to approach it from many different angles. It's not just one thing. So we start with the nutritional base. And honestly, I, I feel strongly if you don't do that, you're kind of wasting your time with the other stuff. You're just not going to have good results, but then yeah, we can do the ozone, the mistletoe. I do a lot of Chinese herbal medicine too. So the Chinese herbs, the homeopathy, they're all approaching the situation from a little different angle. And I do believe that there's an additive effect. And I also look at the individual pet. The majority of pets that I work with, probably, 98 percent do well with mistletoe. Some just don't tolerate the injections or there's just some issue. They're just super sensitive to it. So we don't use that therapy. You know, some will need herbs in their food, just won't touch their food. If we put herbs in, well, it's more important that they're eating. So we don't do the herbs. So sometimes we do have to pick and choose based on what is resonating the best with the patient. And then we look at response to treatment. And that's another big difference in this approach, as opposed to conventional approach, because conventional, you have your diagnosis. It's this type of tumor. It's the stage and these stages and the naming of things is getting more and more detailed. Then there's a treatment plan that goes along with it. And they really treat the diagnosis, not the patient. I think we need to be treating the patient.

Ivelisse Page:

Exactly. 100%. Can you share a specific success story where integrative treatments made a significant difference in the health of a pet?

Dr. Judy Jasek:

Sure. So, um, there was one, I'll share, I'll share a story about a kitty. This kitty came to me, had had a bladder tumor removed, so she was completely blocked. She could not urinate. So I, and I'm not by the way, an advocate for just lopping off tumors or even doing aspirates or biopsies. From my perspective, I really don't need to know exactly what it is. And I find that sometimes that can inflame the situation and make it worse. And surgical regrowth, regrowth after surgery tends to be super aggressive and much harder to treat. So I usually like to avoid those if possible. This kitty had a complete urinary blockage and she, um, she had to have surgery or she would have to be euthanized. So they opted for the surgery. So I know going in to pay chance of regrowth fairly high, but we started treating, we did, they did the raw food diet. Um, we were doing Chinese herbs, doing ozone, mistletoe injections. Um, they were doing the, the works. It's a very, very diligent pet parent, really followed through with everything. And, honestly, in a case like this, with the chance of regrowth being high, I would have thought, you know, maybe we can give her six or seven months. Well, we did a follow up ultrasound at six months and there was no sign of regrowth. Matter of fact, the radiologist could just kind of barely see the surgical scar where the tumor had been removed from the bladder. That kitty ended up living, I think I started working with her. She was already elderly, like 14 or 15 years old. And, um, cancer never came back. And she lived to be, I think 19 and died of other, you know, age related things. Cancer never came back. And that's a case where I even thought, gosh, I don't know how long we'll be able to help her but there was never a recurrence of the cancer.

Ivelisse Page:

That's incredible. Incredible. And so what advice would you give to pet owners who are considering integrative medicine for their pets, but aren't sure where to start?

Dr. Judy Jasek:

That's, that's a tricky one because there's not very many vets that really support that. I'm actually working, by the way, with, um, so Uriel Pharmacy, you may know Uriel Pharmacy, because that's where we buy our mistletoe from. They're the only distributor in the U. S. They have a foundation called Anthroposophia Foundation where they are educating human practitioners on anthroposophic medicine, which basically is what we've been talking about. Mind, body, spirit, medicine. Um, they want to start a veterinary division. So I started working with them and I'm hoping, you know, we can get some educational programs going so that more vets can become educated and feel confident in practicing this way, create some community and mentorship. Um, but probably the best option right now is to go to the AHVMA. So that's the American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association. That's our national association of holistic vets. And they do have a vet finder. So you can put in your zip code and see if there's any members in your area, you know, other than that, it's word of mouth, you can do online searches. I've had a lot of people find me in Facebook groups and I don't spend any time on Facebook. I just don't really care for social media, but I've had a lot of people find me in like the, so the cancer groups. There's online community groups for different, different types of cancer, different health conditions. So you can go in there and just kind of word them out, you know, see who you can find. But yeah, it's anybody that's, um, you know, willing to lean that way even a little bit in practice. That's a really great idea to support them.

Ivelisse Page:

That's great. That's great. And we can put those links as well in our notes. And I know people are probably wondering, you know, the cost difference. Is there one between integrative and conventional pet care? And how do you advise pet owners when navigating the costs?

Dr. Judy Jasek:

I think if you're going in for standard exams and things, I think it's It probably isn't all that, all that much more. Um, it kind of depends on what you're getting. I mean, a lot of integrative practitioners, like they want to do things like acupuncture. They want to do more things as part of the wellness exam, like do an acupuncture treatment or maybe do a chiropractic adjustment because those things are really important to health. So that can increase the initial cost. My consults are more because I'm more specialized in what I do, but I think if you could just find a general practitioner that just even if you find one that's just a little more open minded. What I have found is that when my clients go in, because I do telemedicine, so all of my clients have to have a local vet. So when they find one, that's a little more open and interested in learning, then, um, that I'll even work with that veterinarian and help teach them. I've had a number reach out to me and ask me about my mistletoe protocols, because they, the client comes in and says that they're doing mistletoe, and then they're curious about that. So if you can find somebody that's even a little bit more open minded. Um, you know, that's a start. And I think encouraging veterinarians that kind of want to go that direction is really important. And you know, I suggest you might just have to pay for some office visits and go in and interview some vets in your area before you need them. Because when you need them, and you're panicked and emotional because your pet's sick or hurt. You just want to get them taken care of. It's not the time to be running clinic to clinic to find one that's in alignment with the type of treatment you want. But I think if you go ahead of time or you're calm and you just pay for a basic office visit, whatever that is. So you want to do a pre visit interview, maybe even take your pet in for an introduction, um, and just tell them, you know, what your philosophies are and just sit down and be honest, just start with just an honest conversation and see where they stand. And if they say, you know, nope, you know, you can't walk in the door, had a rabies shot. Okay. I'm going on to the next clinic, you know? So if you do that ahead of time, then you're not going to feel quite so flustered. Um, because I mean, a lot of people just end up getting that shot because just want their pet to get care. And I know I understand that, but you know, if you, if you do the, search ahead of time. You won't, we know none of us, we don't make good decisions when we're scared and emotional. Um, so do that decision making ahead of time and then you'll feel more prepared. Know where the emergency clinics are. Where can you get 24 hour care if your pet is, is sick or hurt? So have a list of questions, uh, you know, and just go in or maybe even just start with a phone call. Just ask the receptionist and you get a feel for it and say, hey, can I meet the vet ahead of time? And if they're not open to that, then I probably wouldn't go in there.

Ivelisse Page:

That's great advice. Well, thank you, Dr. Judy, for joining us today. And we're so grateful for all of your insight and helping us make sure we take care of our pet friends really well. And so, uh, wish you all the best and thank you again for your time.

Dr. Judy Jasek:

Thank you, appreciate being here.

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