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105-Dr. Daniel Roney - Gut Health and Healing

• Ivelisse Page & Dr. Daniel Roney

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Today's guest on the Believe Big Podcast is Dr. Daniel Roney, a functional and integrative medicine physician to share about the critical role gut health plays in overall healing—especially for those affected by cancer.

Dr. Roney shares his transition from sports medicine to integrative care and explains why addressing root causes is essential in chronic illness. He discusses common gut issues such as SIBO, candida, parasites, and chronic infections, and how they can impact the immune system, inflammation, and recovery. 

The conversation also covers practical steps to support gut health, including nutrition changes, digestive enzymes, microbiome balance, gut lining repair, and the use of targeted testing.

The episode emphasizes personalized care, noting that each cancer journey is different and requires an individualized approach. Ivelisse also shares her own experience using Dr. Roney’s gut health protocols, offering encouragement to listeners seeking practical ways to support their healing.

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Ivelisse Page:

Hi, I am Ivelisse Page and thanks for listening to the Believe Big podcast, the show where we take deep dive into your healing with health experts, integrative practitioners, biblical faith leaders, and cancer thrivers from around the globe. Welcome to today's episode on the Believe Big podcast. My name is Ivelisse Page and it's always a pleasure to spend this time with you. Today I'm honored to welcome our friend Dr. Daniel Roney. Dr. Roney began his journey as a college athlete with degrees in sports medicine and biology, and started his career in chiropractic and physical rehabilitation. Nearly 25 years ago, he realized that many of his patients were suffering from issues that couldn't be treated by physical care alone, chronic inflammation, hormone imbalances, digestive disorders, and autoimmune conditions that began from within. That insight became the turning point that led him into the world of functional and integrative medicine. Since then, Dr. Roney has dedicated his career to helping patients uncover and address the root causes of chronic illness. He spent six years at one of America's largest integrative cancer and wellness centers, refining a deeply personalized and compassionate approach to care. Having walked through cancer himself and losing his father to the disease, Dr. Roney understands the impact it has on a patient and their families. His mission is to bridge the gap between conventional and integrative medicine, helping patients not only treat illness, but change the cellular environment that allowed it to develop in the first place. Welcome to the show, Dr. Roney.

Dr. Daniel Roney:

Yeah, that was fantastic.

Ivelisse Page:

Hey, that's all about you. Can you believe it?

Dr. Daniel Roney:

I'm happy to be here. I love this stuff. I love talking about it, so. I'm happy to be here. I appreciate you giving the opportunity to.

Ivelisse Page:

Yes, yes. Well, we always like to start our show with our guest's favorite health tip. So what is your favorite health tip?

Dr. Daniel Roney:

Yeah, it's gonna be, I thought a lot about this'cause I knew you're gonna ask, and it always comes back to me to exercise. However, we're learning a lot about exercise and this concept of hormesis. Hormesis is a little bit good, too much is bad. We're realizing that the, the right exercise in the right amount of time is gonna really allow the body to not have too much stress to it. And we use the term oxidative stress. So I like short bursts, intense exercises, 10, 12 minutes, sprint for a minute, jog for 30, sprint, jog, get the heart rate up, uh, get the blood flow going, get the lymph system moving, and then that does have, you know, at a cellular level, physiological, biochemical positive effects. Where growth hormone increases, right? The immune system increases. Your inflammation decreases actually, because they call it NFKB1 or NRF 1s, NRF 2s, and it blocks NFKB 1 and 2 and it blocks COX-2s and things like that. So, and insulin receptor site sensitivity increases. So the point I'll make is, there's a lot of benefit from short burst intense exercise where if we go too long, it can have the exact opposite effect. We get too much oxidative stress, right? That's that concept of hormesis. So with that, I do that personally and then I also like to do my resistance training, but more multi, I'll call it multi movements. Not just sitting on a bench and say a bench press, but I wanna do the burpees and I wanna do things that are squat thrust with overhead pushes safely, low, low intensity, I'll call it, but low weight, higher reps even, through full range of motion. And then the final thing I'd like my pliability, flexibility, and mobility. So when we combine those, the research shows your body's going to actually get way more benefit than it is negative. So I, I at least wanted to give a little bit more detail than just say an exercise. So I hope that helps.

Ivelisse Page:

I love that. And you know, that's something that I've had to kind of tweak over the years.'cause I've noticed that as I've gotten older, even my body's changed and hormones. What I used to do didn't help me to keep the weight off, is what I do now.'cause if I overdid it, my cortisol level would shoot up and then it would do the opposite effect.

Dr. Daniel Roney:

That's exactly right.

Ivelisse Page:

And so, kind of what you were saying now, so I love things like Pilates. I heard going for a walk right after you eat to keep your insulin levels lower. Yes. And um, and I do short bursts also of heavy weights. Mm-hmm. For my legs especially, and I find that's changing my composition as well. So I really appreciate that you, you shared that because you know, over the years, and I think there's something true if someone's working with someone like yourself mm-hmm. They look at your chemistry. They look at your snips, they're looking at what your body responds to and they individualize it.'Cause nowadays, I call it the medicine of social media, and because one person had success, you know, losing weight or gaining weight, doing a certain thing, everyone falls on that bandwagon. It really needs to be individualized.

Dr. Daniel Roney:

100%. And that's where getting into some of the testing that allows us to understand you and your composition better, where you're at in your life. What the goals are. So there's all these variables that then we can put into place to take some of those concepts I mentioned initially and tailor it to the individual. Yes.'cause to your point. If cortisol levels are, are way up or even way down, it's gonna have a, a major impact on hormonal balance. That's gonna have a major impact on the way you, your metabolic system is working, how you can burn fat, if you're storing too much fat. That all gets in the way as an example of how that exercise is gonna actually work for you. So yes, the individualized approach and individualized medicine with everything, I think is, is the future. I mean, it's the present, but I think it's gonna be more and more the future as, as, uh, doctors learn this stuff.

Ivelisse Page:

Yes. Well, thank you for that tip. And I'm so excited about today's topic on gut health because one of the things that I've had to do is have frequent colonoscopies, mm-hmm, and because of my history or past history. And, one of the things I'm always, was always trying to find a different way or a natural, more natural approach to the preps because they're so destructive to the gut. And I was so grateful to you because you gave me such hope, because you know, typically it would take me a year to restore my gut and then I'd have to go in for another colonoscopy. So, um, this last time I remember us having a conversation about other things that I'm doing and tweaking certain aspects of my health. And, uh, you were so helpful and you told me and you said, Ivelisse, you can restore your gut probably in three months instead of a year. And that was like a, like this moment of what? And I have to tell you, I'm like one month out from my colonoscopy and I can already tell that I am a hundred x better than I was last time I had one. Mm-hmm. And I know it's because of your protocol and I'm just so grateful that we're gonna be talking about this today because you shouldn't have to struggle for a year to get your gut back if you've had some kind of surgery or had to, had to get antibiotics for whatever reason. And, and our,

Dr. Daniel Roney:

It could be all necessities, right? That's, mm-hmm. That's that integrative kind of mindset where we go, Hey, there's a means to an end sometimes, and we don't, I don't love it. But then, okay, what do we do to minimize or mitigate the downside? Yes. And that's your point, you know?

Ivelisse Page:

Yeah. So for those who aren't really familiar with gut health and me saying, what if I have antibiotics? It takes a year to restore. They might not even know that. Right. Um, so can you explain why gut health is so foundational to our overall wellbeing?

Dr. Daniel Roney:

Yeah, no, great question. So. I'll position it this way, it the way I look at health in general and optimal health, what you call it, healthspan, lifespan, et cetera, is all about looking, I call it a checklist. And the checklist you mentioned already a little bit epigenetics are gonna be a big one. That's another topic for another day. And then what you put into your body from a food standpoint, of course and lifestyle. But gut is probably way up there in the importance because it's really not just about digestion, it's about communication. It's about immune health, it's about brain health, right? It's about anti-inflammatory health, all those things. And there's more, of course, but all those things are wrapped up in why gut health is so important. I mean, it's 70% of the immune barrier. So when we see chronic disease, and this is what I'm getting at with my list. My list will include the things that we just mentioned, plus infections. Your four pathogens, bacteria, viral loads, fungal loads and parasites, toxins and chemicals. And then you get into the metabolic system, all of your endocrine tissues, whether it's your insulin or endocrine hormones, your, your insulin, your cortisol, your sex hormones, and your thyroid, those are biggies, right? If a person has, say, anemia, if their oral cavity is unhealthy. That's the checklist, if you will, of optimal health. Now, having said that, what'll happen there is if we have a bunch of those things, we're gonna get this inflammatory, chronic inflammatory response. So we probably all know, if not, it's good to repeat that inflammation is really the root of all disease, right? So, and we'll talk about how the gut plays a huge factor in that, that part. But you get the inflammation, you'll get immune dysregulation where the immune system gets a little bit dysregulated or a lot, and then really we'll get oxidative stress. We'll get the free radicals and those are atoms that lose paired electrons that become very unstable. And when we have enough inflammation or too much inflammation, we're gonna get an just an abundance of oxidative stress from these free radicals. Now the significance there, not to bore everybody, but the, the mitochondria is really what we're all about trying to protect. Because as it relates to, and you and I talked about this, the symptom of cancer. So I don't believe cancer is a diagnosis. I believe it's a symptom of upstream metabolic dysfunction. And I think that's pretty well proven. The point I'll make is that mitochondria is what we're trying to protect at all costs. Because that's what, you know, using the term apoptosis or or program cell death. If the mitochondrial DNA is affected by all this inflammation and oxidative stress, that cell and that mitochondrial DNA is no longer gonna take an older damaged cell and kill it off naturally. Mm-hmm. So what'll happen, those mutations will then start to repeat, and then they'll start to replicate. And then we have that symptom, right? Yeah.

Ivelisse Page:

Yep. So

Dr. Daniel Roney:

how that fits into the big picture is, is what we'll really talk about how the gut plays a factor in that. I hope that was okay to do.

Ivelisse Page:

No, I think that's awesome. And what are some of the most common signs or symptoms of poor gut health that people might be overlooking or dismissing as normal?

Dr. Daniel Roney:

Yeah. So I mean, reflux is one that you'll see. We'll see reflux. We're gonna then see, uh, gut or bloating is a, is a big one. A lot of gas. You know, people will say, I'm just, I just, my gut just is always uneasy, right? That's a big one. Then constipation, diarrhea, things like that, that, that, you know, are, are kind of the obvious ones. Say, I'm getting a lot of, uh, histamine response as an example, and histamine would be say I eat and then I get mucusy, or I get headachey, or I get tired afterwards. That histamine response is a byproduct of either a food sensitivity that's created from poor gut health or I'm, I'm actually having a sensitivity to food. But I, I believe if we're eating really healthy and those healthy foods are giving us some sensitivity, it's the gut, and the microbiome and the leaky gut and the inflammation that's going on in that gut that's creating it. So yes. Um, hopefully that that answers that.

Ivelisse Page:

Yes, yes. And so you often start with a comprehensive stool ecology test. How does this differ from the standard stool test people get, say, in a conventional doctor's office?

Dr. Daniel Roney:

That's another great question. I'll tell you why.'cause it happened to me personally about 20 plus years ago, before I really got deep in down this rabbit hole. Um, we went on vacation to another country and I came back and my digestive system was a mess. So in inherently you, you go, okay, there's something in there that shouldn't be in there. So I waited, waited, waited, and it wasn't getting better. So, uh, I went to the urgent care at the time, or the doctor, I can't remember if it was just the doctor I had or urgent care, but they ran a stool test and he, and this doctor said, I'll never forget, he said, don't be surprised, we rarely find anything in these. And so when it came back, of course there wasn't anything in there, but I looked and there were only four things that they tested. So, so of course, think about how many microorganisms there could be. Two test. And if you're only testing four, of course you're gonna miss a lot. So what I found, based on these tests that we'll talk about today, I found that it's night and day. The list of things that we're gonna be looking at on some of these stool ecologies is pages long, versus say four things. So that was a big eye-opener for me. Now, I didn't understand it as well then, but now I'm like, oh my goodness no doubt. And what he did, he said, but I'm still gonna give you stuff to kill it off'cause we're gonna assume stuff is there. And within like two days it was gone. So just to give you an anecdote.

Ivelisse Page:

So, so what is the name of the test that you, uh, recommend?

Dr. Daniel Roney:

There's three. And they're different levels. So depending on, what I like to do with a patient is of course, I have them fill out paperwork that's very specific to gut health questions their stomach, their intestines, they're large intestine, and then that tells me different things you know about, about symptoms and where to start kind of focusing. So if it's minor, there's a test called GI Map from Diagnostic Solutions. It's about a five page report, very good. We're gonna get your bacteria loads, viral loads, your protozoans, your helminths, things like that on there. And then it'll give you good, bad bacteria. It will give us an idea how your, um, your, your enzymes are working, your inflammation in the gut, your immune system. So it's a good, I call it a general test. Okay. And then if it's more involved, I use one from Genova called the GI FX STO ecology. And then if it's really involved, then I'm like, well, we really need to go deep. There's a test from Vibrant Wellness called the Gut Zoomer, and that's probably 20 plus pages of data on your gut. So it really depends on the patient. And I'll go, you know, I'd say general, more involved and, and really involved.

Ivelisse Page:

And how much do those tests cost?

Dr. Daniel Roney:

They're probably, so I would say between three and$500.

Ivelisse Page:

Okay. That's not too bad. That's not too bad for the information.

Dr. Daniel Roney:

Vital.

Ivelisse Page:

Yes, yes. Yes. What kinds of infections or imbalances can be revealed through these advanced gut testings, like candida, sibo, leaky gut mm-hmm. And how do they affect healing and on our energy levels?

Dr. Daniel Roney:

Yeah. So one of the things I'll, I'll, I'll do real quick is give you a kind of a formula and then we'll piece it together. So the, the formula that I like to use, and I've learned this, I didn't come up with it, is the five Rs of gut health. R as in Roger. Remove foods, replace enzymes, revive the microbiome, which includes four different things. It includes prebiotics, probiotics, fiber, both soluble and insoluble, and the immune system. So we wanna revive all four of those. We wanna repair the leaky gut, and then we want to remove infections if they're there. So with a good stool, ecology you can accomplish, the foods are a different story, right? But you can see what the digestive enzymes are doing and the levels of those. You get to look at, you know, the microbiome, good bacteria versus bad. You get to see what the, what the prebiotics, probiotics are looking like, what the terrain looks like, if you will. Yes, we get to assess leaky gut. And then the others, to your point, as far as infections, we really are looking for things like candida and yeast overgrowth. We're looking for parasites and protozoans and bacterial infections and things like that. And then we're looking for, I look heavily for something called SIBO and SIFO. So SIBO is small intestinal bacteria overgrowth, and then there's small intestinal fungal overgrowth. So there's a little bit of a difference between those two, but those are the main infections. Yes.

Ivelisse Page:

Okay. Yeah, I, and I, and I love the, the practical side of all this. So, so let's go back to your remove. Yep. What, what types of inflammatory foods or hidden stressors do you recommend patients eliminate? First, just give me like three or four.

Dr. Daniel Roney:

Yeah. So, so the main concept definitely is real food from the earth. So if I'm on a deserted island, what could I eat? Whatever the earth offers in its most natural form. We can get into, I'm, I'm a big pick it or chase it guy, if you will. And meats and, and plant-based, we can go down that road and I individualize it a lot. But I will say if we're gonna do meats, it's all pasture raised, pasture finished. Clean as could be. Wild as could be. So that's, but that's a whole other topic of conversation. What we wanna really do is remove the processed grains, remove gluten, for sure. Remove, I would remove grains in general, personally because they're, they're processed. To get them you, if you're on an island, you'd have to grow them and then process them to be edible and it's impossible. So I'm not a big fan of grains and especially gluten. I would definitely remove gluten at all cost for sure. It's not necessarily the gluten per se, it's the way now we farm it, hybridize the seeds. By the time they get to our digestive system, it's an an entirely different protein. Yes. So we really can't break it down well, which creates an inflammatory response because the immune system doesn't know what it is.

Ivelisse Page:

Yes.

Dr. Daniel Roney:

So gluten, I would say dairy is a huge one as well. Now we can go into raw dairy. Better, because it has live enzymes in it. Once we pasteurize it, it cooks out all those enzymes that help break down this protein called casing. And casings not easy for the human body to digest. You know, when they look at it biochemically, it's mother's milk, believe it or not. It goes mother's milk, camel's milk, goat milk, and then way down the line is cow's milk, as far as the biochemical identity. So dairy is one if you're gonna do it raw, but I would, I would remove it and probably replace it with raw goat milk if you're going to do, uh, dairy. And, and I would say unfermented soy is a, is a big one in that list too. Fermented, better like your tofus and things like that. Much better, better for the body to digest. And then, it goes down the line of some corns and grain and, and nuts and things like that, like peanuts and so forth. That'll give you at least a start.

Ivelisse Page:

Okay.

Dr. Daniel Roney:

Yeah.

Ivelisse Page:

Yeah, that's good. People are saying, Ooh, goat milk. I actually love goat milk and that's what I use in my coffee in the morning. I used to, um, have almond milk or coconut milk, but they're very processed too, even the organic ones. Okay. And. They said it wasn't actually good for me to have almond milk. And it's, I think this is what's so frustrating for so many people, so many of us is we're told, well, almond milk is better than this. And then we start taking that and they're like, well, actually, research shows this. And it's really hard to keep on top of it. But I like what you said about what's on the natural land, you know, what are you growing or chasing? And that kind of gives you a really easier understanding of things that are best for us to take. Um, let's go to replace. Yeah. So you, you said replace. Yep. I, I remember you telling me that as we get older, it's really hard for us to digest food in that every person over a certain age should be having digestive enzymes. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And, um, and so how important are digestive enzymes and stomach acid support, especially as we're aging or under chronic stress like cancer?

Dr. Daniel Roney:

Yeah, so one of the things that happens is as we age, we do lose those enzymes. We do lose acid. And then when you throw the stress response in there, which so many people have. The stomach is under, or the digestive system's under what they call rest and digest. It's part of the autonomic nervous system When we're in sympathetic overload, which I don't know who isn't quite honestly, right, um, it, it, it's going to affect our gut because we're not in rest and digest. So if you hear the term nervous stomach, that's kind of where it comes from. Where we could overproduce, you know, some of these enzymes, we could overproduce some of the, um, hydrochloric acid or we could actually start wearing it down and we get low. Most people are gonna be more low than high, believe it or not. And so when we get these foods in and they don't get digested, well, they ferment. And that fermentation process creates a number of different issues in the stomach. So easiest way your amylase is, and proteases and carbos. And then you know your hydrochloric with a little bit of hydrochloric acid in there, taking even one with food or a little bit before to set up your, your digestive system with those enzymes, what's gonna happen is you're gonna be able to break those foods down better, with less unease. Okay. But really what we want is that bolus to go in or that food to go in from the stomach into the small intestine in nanoparticle size. So what we're talking about the least invasive to our small intestine and the best absorbability, we want, especially the proteins to be broken down into single amino acid form. When they're clumped together, that's when the immune system will attack it because it doesn't recognize it. That's been proven. So the better you put what you put into the body better, the better you have the enzymes and the acid to break it down, the less inflammation you're gonna get in that gut and the better digestion. And when they say digestion, it's those, those nutrients crossing the the gut wall and assimilating into the cell. They're gonna assimilate into that cell when things are broken down better.

Ivelisse Page:

Gotcha. Yeah, that makes, that makes so much sense.

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Ivelisse Page:

Okay. Revive and repair. Yeah. You know, you say focus on rebuilding the microbiome and healing the gut lining. Mm-hmm. And that's what you really helped me do after the colonoscopy. What are some practical ways people can do this safely and effectively?

Dr. Daniel Roney:

Yeah. So if we break down the four things when we're trying to revive, your prebiotics, okay, probiotics, your fibers. And then your, what they call secretory IGA. So essentially your prebiotics are gonna be in your fermented food. Okay? So your sauerkrauts, your, your kimchi is a good one. Kombucha is a little bit, it's got a little bit more sugar and stuff, so you have to watch that. But even your good yogurts, like if we did a good goat milk yogurt, that's gonna help from a prebiotic standpoint. And then your probiotics are gonna be, I like getting them in the supplemental form, especially when I do the, uh, stool test. I can see where they are and which ones are low. Then I can coordinate some of the products that I like to use. There's there, I like spore producing ones. By the way, that's just a quick antidote. I like the ones that, you know, you kind of can reseed the garden, if you will, with these four producing probiotics. Microbiome makes a great one called MegaSpore. Then the, the foundation or the soil is really your fiber. So there's the insoluble fiber and then the soluble fiber. So the insoluble is kind of like the, the bulk, if you will, the soluble fiber is kind of like the gel, and that's your soil. So if we can do those things, get the soil right. And then we can put seeds in and fertilize them with the prebiotics because the prebiotics speed the probiotics. And then the final thing in that, in that category is our immune system of the gut. A lot of us have a slammed immune system in the gut and the, the measure is called secretory, IGA. So what works really well is colostrum. Those immunoglobulins. So we can, in your case, for example, when we're looking at restoring pretty quickly, we're just going pre, pro, fibers and then getting the colostrum going, and all of a sudden we didn't miss much on the revive part.

Ivelisse Page:

And, and I've noticed it. I mean, huge difference. Yeah. And I love the colostrum adding that'cause that also helps with the immune system. It's, it's, it's phenomenal. Phenomenal. Yeah. So I love that. Okay. And then you mentioned removing infections early in the process. Mm-hmm. So how do infections disrupt the gut healing? And what integrative tools do you use to address them?

Dr. Daniel Roney:

Yeah, great question. So your, your infections are really gonna happen because of a compromised gut. So, so far all the things we talked about being off are gonna set the table for these infections to rear their ugly head, if you will. So, as an example, yeast is in our gut. All these things are in our gut for the most part, and there's a synergistic, symbiotic relationship. But if it, if the microbiome and your good bacteria is low and your, what they call. There's commensal bacteria and then there's opportunistic bacteria. The bad bacteria is high. All of a sudden we're gonna start to get these, the overgrowth, because the good bacteria basically crowds all this stuff out to keep it simple. So, so the first four things that we mentioned and, and the repair part with that leaky gut is a big part of that as well, is really dependent upon whether or not we, when we start removing these things, so if we identify them. And then there's protocol specific protocols. Sometimes it's, you know, I, I, I'll be honest, I, I wasn't like this in the beginning of my career, but as I've learned and, and gotten better at this, sometimes the using the medicines are not a bad idea. Parasites without question. Yeast.

Ivelisse Page:

I was just gonna ask you that. How, how do parasites play a role? Because they can hide and make you have all these aches and pains and disruption and you don't really even realize that it's the parasites and you're addressing other things. So what do you recommend for parasites?

Dr. Daniel Roney:

Yeah, so in, in other countries, by the way, if you do any homework, they go through every six months or so, they're doing a parasite protocol. Hmm, okay. Farmers give their livestock a lot of anti helminths. Because I, I believe we're more exposed to them than we think. And with stress being high and gut health being compromised, I think they have a chance to, to fester, if that makes sense. So I'm a big, like, Hey, you know, you're, oh, Ivermectin and Fen-Bens. Now there's specific ones that we could use, but in general, they create those two, create a wide a, a wide variety of what they can kill. So I like those. There's a product that I just came across not too long ago. I, I'll, I'll mention it, but I, I haven't used it yet, or any patients, but it's called Para Purge.

Ivelisse Page:

I just, I actually used it. Did it? Okay. It was great and it great. It's the three bottle system, and what I like about it is that. Um, and my integrative doctor, um, actually recommended it. And there's a three day protocol. There's a five day and a seven day, so you can start with the three gently. Yep. Because here's the thing that I want people to know. Again, I've, I've just heard so many friends saying, I'm gonna try this parasite cleanse and, yep. If you're especially on a cancering journey or if your immune system is down and you do this really powerful cleanse, it could actually hurt you. Yes. More so. And so you have to really be monitored carefully by an integrative practitioner that knows this so that it does not hurt you more. Again, please do not use Instagram as your medical doctor.

Dr. Daniel Roney:

No, for sure. And you brought up a good point real quick on that detox. All those pathways have to be open. Yes. Before we even entertain killing something, off on somebody, I look at their epigenetics because most likely, most people aren't methylating well. Yes, they're not detoxing well. They're not controlling oxidative stress well because of their epigenetics, right? So first we overcome that, then we get the gut better. I address liver function and kidney function and mitochondria. Now all those pathways are open to where if we give something like a ParaPurge or Ivermectin or Fen Ben or something to kill off, say yeast econazole or diflucan or something like that, now the die off is gonna be able to be processed by the liver properly and get out of the system. If not all it does is yes, recycle back to the hepatic circulation and it redistributes. And then we get Herxheimer reactions. So I'm glad you brought that up,'cause it's such a, a big, a big point. There's a way to do it right and thorough without having the downside. Yes. A lot of that. Glad you brought that up.

Ivelisse Page:

Yes. And I'm going to put, you know, those links in the show notes so that people can see. And we're gonna put your information, I, I love what you do because you're kind of like that guide, uh, to really help someone to discover what areas of focus they really should be focusing on first, whether they have cancer or whether they're a healthy in quote person that really wants to optimize their health. So I love what you do and you, you do a great job consulting and giving practical things. So we'll put all of your information in the show notes for people who wanna contact you and use your services. I've just benefited so greatly and I just wanna personally thank you because really, like I said earlier in the podcast, I have noticed such a huge change in my gut health already, and it's only been a month after my colonoscopy. Um, and so in closing, happy to help. Yeah, happy to help. Thank you. And in closing, I can't believe our time has already come to an end. For our listeners who are on a cancer, on a chronic illness journey, I would love for your advice on how does restoring gut health support their body's ability to recover, to build resilience, and truly Believe Big in their healing process?

Dr. Daniel Roney:

Yeah, so I mean, the gut, the first thing that I, that I talk about is a, the things that in this integrated world that we're asking you to do, sometimes we're asking you to take things, right? Whether it's these methylated vitamins that help with your epigenetics or anti-inflammatories, or even gut support. Whatever that might be. I think the first thing is, are you able to take it, digest it, break it down, and assimilate it properly? Because if not, like we're really not getting the absorbability out of that product that we really want. So I believe firmly, like, look, let's take a look at your gut. Even if there's no symptoms, and this is a really good one, symptoms are the last thing to show and the first thing to go. Wow.

Ivelisse Page:

So

Dr. Daniel Roney:

we don't necessarily wanna use symptoms as a guide to whether or not our gut is good or bad. We wanna use the data from the testing to tell us if it's good or bad, and then we can almost preemptively strike. That's the wellness concept. And we can start getting the gut regulated. And then the biggest thing along in that checklist that I worry about is the inflammation that's created, right? Again, there's brain health because the gut's the second brain and there's immune health and all that, but really the inflammation that's created from that is to me the biggest detriment to that mitochondria. Again, what we're trying to do is, is really, really protect that mitochondria. And if our gut's off, then we're gonna have a lot of problems with being able to do that.

Ivelisse Page:

I love that. Love it. Did that answer that? Yes, it sure did. Yeah. Well, thank you again, Dr. Roney, for joining us for all of your insight and advice. We're so grateful for you taking the time to be with us today.

Dr. Daniel Roney:

I'm all in. I love this stuff for myself personally, like I had to go down the rabbit hole, right? And when you go down the rabbit hole, you're just like, I've gotta share this. I've gotta, I, you know, and I'm a little nerdy in the sense that I go down the rabbit hole, so, so love it. I, I've done the homework because I almost, I had to. I also love this stuff. So that's any, I'm happy to help even advice doesn't mean they have to hire me. I, I'm happy to just share.

Ivelisse Page:

That's awesome. Well, we so appreciate you. Thank you so much. Thanks,

Dr. Daniel Roney:

man. Alright. Have a great day, Ivelisse. Good seeing you.

Ivelisse Page:

You too.

Dr. Daniel Roney:

Bye-Bye.

Ivelisse Page:

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